Haven’t been able to find enough appealing books to read lately… I’ve been on a run of badly written SF novels that I don’t complete because I feel like I’ve already read them and, worse, the writer is a worse writer than I am. So I picked up the Nick Krauser book A Deplorable Cad. This section, about “Beckster” (Robert Beck) reminds me of something similar but adjacent to what I do:
He’d read the old Alt-Seduction forum then go out in-field to nightclubs to try it out. After two years of what were, by his own admission, “hard work and brutal lack of success,” he cracked it and became a good player . . .
His major ruse was to set himself up as a club promoter and then go out in the street, handing out cards to hot girls and getting their numbers.
From there, Beckster would invite chicks to the club. The chicks “would experience Rob as the king of the club who knew everybody and was treated with respect by the staff,” because club promoters can get paid to bring in chicks. He’d then find other players and wannabe players and get them to bring in chicks. On top of that, “Rob put yet another layer . . . which not only made his pulling easier but also greatly enhanced the perception of his cold-approach pick-up skills in front of the students who’d paid him a fortune in coaching fees.” By being the boss of a bunch of chicks, other chicks would see him as high value… then he’d go around to pick up the other chicks in the club. Then multiple chicks would “all compete against each other to vie for his attention.”
An interesting strategy. I admire it, though it’s not for me because I dislike clubs. The only other person I’ve read who seems to have a good read on clubs is Good Looking Loser, who writes “An Introduction and Major Misconception about Party ‘Club’ Game (The Scene – Hollywood, USA):”
Groups of people meet at a designated house to “mingle”, drink and do drugs – 1 or 2 hours before going to a nightclub. (pre-party)
These groups of people take as few cars/taxis (or limousines) to go to a nightclub where they have ALREADY BEEN PUT ON A VIP/GUEST LIST by the nightclub promoter that they ALREADY KNOW. (enter club)
They get in for free, have a COMPLIMENTARY table and access to a significant amount of FREE alcohol that their promotor has reversed for them. (club)
At some point in the night, usually just after that the alcohol runs out and/or girls dance for 90 minutes, the group will leave to a PRE-PLANNED AFTER-PARTY which is usually, but not always, at the pre-party house. (exit club)
Most solo guys or small groups of guys are never going to break off one of those chicks. The marketing job of the club, however, is to convince guys that, with enough money spent, that might happen. I personally would prefer honest prostitution to this kind of slight-of-hand, but there must be enough guys to bite the bait to keep the industry going.
Krauser does not like this form of game either:
This is known as Entourage Game, and Beckster invented the modern version of it. It’s pretty much the opposite of what I do. He builds an elaborate structure based on many moving parts that elevates him to a position of situational high status in an environment where girls go to party. I roam solo on city streets picking off girls who know nothing except what I convey in one-to-one conversation.
Krauser also has another friend, Mick, who is also not like me:
He enjoys chatting to strangers for the sake of it, whereas I hate it. He’ll start up conversations no matter where he is – to a supermarket cashier, a barber, his car mechanic. In contrast, I’ll say the minimum necessary to be polite. That’s how his style developed, and it makes him excellent at bar game because he doesn’t view all of this chat as work.
I am somewhere between Krauser and Mick, but I view most random chat as closer to work than pleasure, which is why I don’t much like working the bars. I have done it before, sometimes somewhat successfully, but usually in semi-warm atmospheres (e.g. after a work conference meet up, that kind of thing).
I also don’t like normal clubs, but I am somewhat like Beckster in that I discovered, or was initiated into, a kind of workaround, in my case through sex parties and sex clubs, where everyone has been pre-filtered for interest. The upsides I have written about quite a bit. There are some downsides to what I do:
- Many people, even when they know intellectually that they are not monogamous, do not want to see their friend or partner banging another person.
- If a guy is hunting the hottest girls, the ones who are 8+, he is not likely to find them. I have seen some, but they are rare and in high demand. If a guy brings high 7s and 8+ girls, however, he will be the king of his local scene (I have played this game very successfully).
- A guy still needs to find a compatible chick. This version of lifestyle or ecosystem must be layered onto existing game for it to work.
- A guy will be evaluated very directly based on his body and sex skills. If either are lacking, everyone will know it because everyone will see the guy nude and fucking. Because (almost) everyone gets naked and has sex at these clubs and parties, I have an unusual amount of experience in evaluating how chicks look clothed and unclothed. Many chicks who seem one way clothed turn out another way when not.
- Doing it well takes some amount of work. There are no shortcuts.
The main advantage to what I do is volume, sustainability, and of course many people have group sex fantasies… unlike most people, however, I live them out. Consensual non-monogamy also helps me retain chicks who would otherwise want to know, “Where is this going?” I find these trade-offs to be worthwhile (you may not), and what I am doing is not totally unlike what Beckster is/was doing. Sex clubs also seem to have become more popular/normalized in the last five years. Ten years ago they were much weirder and underground. Most recently, girls are likely to have already thought about them and consensual non-monogamy… I think the cultural conditions have changed.
Another advantage: I am satisfying many chicks’ fantasies, which they will never satisfy on their own, because they are chicks and most chicks need to be led most of the time. Most chicks are not self-motivated or self-starters, so they need a guy to activate their sex drives. Some chicks are exceptional in this regard but most are not. Many guys get annoyed with the female propensity to talk and not do… I used to get annoyed. Now I realize it’s their nature, and to get annoyed about a hummingbird for being a hummingbird is irrational.
Another thing, neither good nor bad: I tend to get and retain sexually adventurous chicks. Guys who have a thing for inexperienced chicks or virgins, will not find them at the sex clubs, but that’s fine with me. Note that many sexually adventurous chicks still present as “classy,” if you like that sort of presentation. And many chicks who present as trashy are still hard to get in bed, based on my experiences. Just like guys who dislike game say that game guys are only getting “bad” or “damaged” girls, guys who think that every sexually adventurous girl looks like a gutter rat will be surprised.
I like reading about other guys’s systems. I draw from a couple ecosystems (I have not written about everything I do), so I am somewhat unlike the game guys who hit new cities and begin cold approaching. But the Krauser and Tom Torero books are the most complete descriptions of cold-approach daygame I have ever read, rivaled only by some of the original Neil Strauss and Mystery books. It is surprising to me that no one else has produced comparably detailed works. Maybe writing a book takes a lot of energy for little reward, apart from the ego reward. The majority of guys out there learning how to be a player would be well-served to quit hunting for kernels of utility online and read the Krauser books.
I feel like I am still learning from the daygamers, and their knowledge is deep and detailed. I don’t do a lot of cold-approach daygame, so they are not likely as “useful” to me as they will be to other guys who are learning to chase tail, but they are well-written and informative. The book written by an obvious expert in his field is often interesting to me, even if I am not directly in the field… I see the world differently after I read them. I like Nassim Taleb, though I don’t wish to be a Wall Street trader, as he was. The Krauser and Torero books are written by experts. The most annoying part of the Krauser books is the fact that they are not readily available digitally… it seems digitized versions can be found online, but I would prefer to just click the Amazon button and be done with it. Life is too valuable to be scrimping over a $20 book. Most of the Torero books seem to be on Amazon Kindle, which I appreciate.
If there are comparable books that I’m missing, please let me know in the comments. If you are an experienced game guy, think about writing a book.
One other thing I forgot to add: Krauser says, “This was a period when I was getting to meet all the ‘name’ PUAs in London and while they all had something I could learn from, I was struck by how strange they all were. It was like a little boy’s club. Our house of cads in Hampstead looked sane in comparison.” Most guys writing about the game seem weird/off/messed up… I’m guessing that I come off as more normal than most hard-core PUAs, albeit cerebral or nerdy if I let those parts of myself peak out. When I find a pretty girl who likes to read and isn’t a twit, I get very excited. Most pretty girls who like to read are looking for a guy who isn’t a stereotypical nerd but who isn’t a frat-boy jock. Pretty girls who like to think and read (few people do one without the other) have dating problems similar to mine. So when we find each other, it can be beautiful. I am much smarter than most good-looking gym guys (I am not so good looking but I do all right… nowhere near good looking enough to make the game easy) and I am much better looking than most nerdy readers, programmers, or engineers. Ms. Slav and I connect well because she’s an extremely pretty girl who is also smart, and so her and I match immediately.
I can do well with basic chicks age 25+ who are starting to think about longer-term things, but if they are kind of dumb I get tired of them after a couple months of sex. They often become too much like having another kid around, which I don’t need in supposedly adult women.
Overall, I think I am more normal than the hardest-core PUAs, but considerably less normal than the average person.
5 thoughts on “Ecosystems and clubs”
Promoter game is the easiest way to get laid. Unfortunately, most of them are complete idiots. I was in a “Game” chat group with a bunch of them that was actually just a lead funnel to get guys into their clubs.
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Torero and krauser are the best of the current game book writers I know.
The other top rate books I’d recommend beyond Mystery Method are:
1. Blackdragon’s books for online game and harem management
2. The old ebook series by “60 Years of Challenge”. Largerly forgotten but that both Krauser and Torero have credited for learning a lot from
3. The sex god method (out of print but you can buy it used) by Daniel Rose for upping your sex game. Goldmund recommended it to me and he was right. Even for experienced guys there’s always something you can learn
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