Martin Gurri on the public revolt and the rise of information networks

I said that “You are part of ‘The Revolt of The Public and the Crisis of Authority in the New Millennium.’” Now the author of that book, Martin Gurri, has a good 80000 hours podcast elaborating on the book’s themes.

I am still amazed that, when it comes to seducing women (one of the most important skills a man can develop), random guys with stupid pseudonyms like mine are more useful authorities that pretty much anything you learn in school or anything you read in bookstores or see on TV. In this field, in human relations, the guys linked in the sidebar are 100x more useful than the New York Times. Crazy, right?

When it comes to sexual polarity and men/women, most guys learn neutral or outright dysfunctional skills from their families, friends, schools, and social worlds. We have to learn on our own or from a small cadre of outsiders.

Multiply that basic idea across 1000s of worlds and you get to the revolt of the public. Our politics and public life still haven’t recovered or reconfigured to the Twitter/Facebook world.

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3 thoughts on “Martin Gurri on the public revolt and the rise of information networks”

  1. It’s odd. Discovering the red pill has, in most ways, been a blessing.

    I lost 65 lbs, improved my game with women, developed a strong frame–not just with women but life in general–and arguably my life is much better than it was a year ago.

    The hard thing is that once you swallow the pill, you realize we’re living on the edge of an abyss. I’ve just been rereading Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, and I’m struck by a dichotomy the author points out. He divides the world into classical and romantic. The classical world is ruled by logic, reason, science, etc. The romantic world is more ethereal, based on feelings and emotions.

    It seems to me we’re at a moment where the romantic world we’ve created surrounding love, monogamy, men and women, is colliding actively with the classical world aka evolutionary biology. Without the religious, societal, and economic pressure underpinning the romantic narrative about marriage and sex, it all falls to pieces. So, it’s like, once you swallow the pill, you’re living in an alternate reality.

    Because the thing is, chicks can’t acknowledge reality–they’re a walking contradiction. They respond to their evolutionary instincts in the classical sense, using the dual mating strategy: seeking an alphas and then trying to find a provider. But they don’t logically acknowledge that this is what they’re doing–indeed, they’re romantically obsessed with the idea of the big wedding, marrying the perfect guy and moving to the suburbs, complete with white picket fence and 2.5 kids.

    So what we see on the whole is that people are returning to classical, evolutionary based mating strategies, while the overall narrative society delivers to us is on of monogamy, marriage, mating for life, and ideas about love and romance that have absolutely no basis in classical truth. And there’s no day on which this is more apparent than Valentine’s Day.

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    1. I think Pirsig is going back to the Apollo/Dionysus view that originates with Nietzsche, if not earlier still. But the point is good, that we seem to have these two parts of our nature, and the Red Pill is applying Apollonian thinking to the romantic world of the Dionysian. This generates its own internal struggles, as disillusionment sets in. Often we want the pretty lie over the cold truth.

      And yes, the Judeo-Christian morality around sex started dying the minute most STIs became curable. Today, birth control, STI treatments, and reliable contraception have led to a sexual free-for-all in many ways. And I am in some ways encouraging that. Trouble is, this world also makes long-term commitment and having children harder than the Judeo-Christian old world.

      Red-Pill guys learn too much to make most conventional long-term relationships work. But short-term hookups can leave guys (and chicks) feeling alienated, disconnected, unhappy.

      If you like these topics, read Love in the Western World by Denis de Rougemont.

      I am mostly trying to think about what I should do for me as an individual… but I sometimes look at the larger societal questions too. Most guys don’t want to know all this stuff, I think, so they just suffer.

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    2. It’s a long time since I read Pirsig, but didn’t he see ‘quality’ as the ultimate arbiter of what is good?
      We are all supposed to be able to recognise quality when we see it. A hundred years ago we had a much smaller world to deal with than now, and we usually had the chance to judge quality with out own senses, face to face.
      But it just occurred to me that our new, digital world is a superb obfuscator of true quality. For example, beauty filters on chicks’ profile pics. We simply can’t trust what we see on digital platforms. The old authorities are withering, too, so where do we get our measures of quality, our signposts to a better future (individual or collective)?

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