The other day I went on a Twitter talk about how you shouldn’t believe everything you read, and then I stopped being oblique and said there’s a “daygame” twitter account under the name “BroodingSea” (BS) that is likely… creative… in terms of its relationship with the real world. Another daygamer guy asked privately why BS is unlikely to be a good role model, and why I think he is, if not necessarily fake exactly, then not telling us everything. There are a bunch of reasons… 1. His results are too good. 2. His supposed pickups are way too good/smooth. 3. He seems not to get any of the negative streaks other guys do. 4. There are almost no details in any of his stories. While it’s possible to get “yes girls” who like you / are horny at that moment / fuck you with much game on your part, they are rare (in some respects this girl had that quality… it can happen). At some point Nash or others called BS out on how unlikely his stories are, and then he began integrating more supposed “failures.”
Put all those pieces together and the bullshit siren should be going off louder than a Marine Corps drill sergeant the first morning at Basic. Unfortunately, BS disappeared, so we’re unlikely to see further revealing statements from him. He may have made the mistake of using some of his primary contact information in online profiles… always go with the burners… despite the improbability of his stories I don’t support doxxing, including of people I disagree with.
So what was going on with him? It’s useful to ask this question because he’s not the first and won’t be the last guy with extremely improbable stories. Most likely, one or more of of several things is at play… 1. He’s paying / using some money in his “game.” I don’t think this is bad (if a guy wants to do it, fine), but he should say as much and describe the role money/payments play. If he has sufficient money to pay, he can get a lot of lays that way, particularly in eastern europe, or with eastern europeans online. A lot of girls who are in the partial escort market have a sliding scale in their minds, where the more masculine/attractive the guy is, the less he pays (not all girls… some are super professional… using some money may also allow him to generate the unique pictures that can be claimed as daygame lays). Years ago I did something like what BS may be doing, for $500/mo…. in a number of ways I got lucky quickly… and I probably shouldn’t have done any money transfer at all… but I did it and it should be admitted for the sake of completeness. Back to BS, 2. He’s probably mostly online, with great pics, and getting girls who are much less hot than he says/implies (I have slummed it at times, usually when I’m horny and some girl shows up who’s less attractive than her pictures but also requires minimal work… not proud but it’s true…). I think he posted a pic or two of himself in which he appears to be jacked. If those pics are honest, he’ll be able to get girls -2 or -3 relative to the ones he should be able to get from the real world. 3. A bunch of his stuff is just made up. You know how people in real life who are full of shit often tell skeleton stories, and when you ask follow-up questions, you can see that they’d never considered an obvious point? Brooding Sea’s stories look like that. Some of them might be authentic.
I don’t really know why he’s bothering. He doesn’t appear to be selling anything. Does he want validation from random guys online? Maybe. Search Krauser’s blog for “pickup police” and you’ll see other examples of guys whose results are really unlikely. If someone seems too good to be true, they likely are.
Perhaps he’s an egomaniac… if someone seems off, he probably is. Or she. We have all probably chased some girl who seemed off, and been burned by it. Same thing here. He might be a “gamma,” to use this taxonomy. If he’s been an outsider his whole life, he sees this as a way to be “popular” among dipshits like myself on Twitter… except that his popularity doesn’t work if his stories aren’t coherent or likely. When he is doubted, he sees his core identity as being attacked, and then he lashes out because he’s being made into an outsider again, even in a community of outsiders. But, if his results are improbably good, people will see through him, and thus lower the validation he’s getting. It’s like the guy who leases an expensive car and has expensive clothes and yet is living paycheck to paycheck and getting deeper into debt. He’s one financial bump away from ruin. But to people who don’t know any better, he can look like a baller… for a while. I think there is likely some truth to BS’s stories, just that the truth is some combination of money, online, and girls less hot than he claims.
It’s possible to bamboozle the hopeful and inexperienced for a period of time, but it’s very hard to live a bullshit narrative for a long period of time. It’s so hard that it’s a popular subject in fiction (spies, con men, Wolf of Wall Street, etc.).
The older you are, the better your bullshit detector gets. Your parents are right, most of the time, if it looks too good to be true, it is. If a “financial advisor” tells you can beat the market, he probably can’t. His goal is to take the fees off unsuspecting suckers like yourself. If the good or service is too cheap, be suspicious. If a guy claims unlikely results, apply your critical thinking skills.
So BS was entertaining, and entertaining is fine, but it’s obviously dangerous to mistake fiction for nonfiction. A lot of young guys unconsciously absorb forms of fiction, without understanding its limitations… they absorb sex, sexuality, and male-female relations from entertaining movies, TV, and books, but those are designed to 1. appeal to chicks, 2. appeal to men who think sex will just fall into their laps, and 3. be palatable to a mainstream audience. Look at porn, for another dangerous example of fiction. Porn has no plot, or not plausible plot… an attractive woman or women just starts f**king. That’s the male fantasy (and the gay male reality), and porn overwhelming caters to male fantasy. Seduction is reality, and reality hurts. Porn and mainstream entertainment culture leads to a lot of men being unhappy and confused… cause they want what they see on TV or whatever to work for them… and it doesn’t… because sex rarely happens in the way it’s depicted in the media. If someone like BS inspires a guy, that’s good… but if he’s unhappy because he doesn’t get BS’s “results…” it’s because… they’re not real! (Female fantasy is best encapsulated by romance fiction. You should read some if you haven’t. It all has the same structure, in which a woman tames the wild bad boy, who also happens to be rich/cool, and convinces him to stop being such a wild bad boy through the magic of her love/p***y).
I tweeted recently, “The most interesting guys are almost always “reporters.” They go out, do stuff, talk about it, then repeat. The most interesting stuff is not necessarily about getting laid… a great story may be about what’s learned from rejection, what’s changed because of rejection, etc.” BS, whatever his flaws, was sort of doing this… his reports were unlikely… but he wasn’t merely repeating platitudes so that was good.
Another question about two guys on Twitter, “Hector Beaman” and “Nathan Alexander“. Are they for real? I don’t know…. the second one is mostly real, I think, although I would probably describe what he’s doing with a different emphasis than he’s (mostly) used. The first one might be real or might not but he tweets so many empty platitudes that I have no idea or real interest in his work, as I’ve seen it so far. The question went like this,
I wonder what these guys refer to as “Game 3.0”? The part that confuses me is, let’s say you’re a high quality girl and you KNOW you’re a high quality girl. Why would you let yourself be exclusive to a guy that won’t be exclusive to you? These guys might respond something like blah blah women happily share a high value man, but you’re telling me in today’s society, with a dearth of high quality women, the only high-quality guy out there is one that demands that type of situation? Am I missing something or is this all BS?
I have wondered about Hector Beaman cause he seems a bit improbable and unspecific, but I haven’t followed him closely enough to have a strong opinion… I don’t think he has a blog and I don’t really follow most people w/o a blog. Too many generalities for my taste and too few specifics, going back to the “be a reporter” thing. BS is funny cause he’s cartoonish.
Nathan Alexander seems plausible and not cartoonish, because (I think) he said he’s a pro photographer, so he’s got a potentially very strong ecosystem. Most guys who are really successful with women aren’t doing cold approach exclusively because that takes a huge amount of time and effort… almost any way of f**king bulk numbers of women does, but CA doesn’t build much off other skills. NA’s got a built-in pipeline, although I don’t know if he’s a true pro photographer making most of his money off it, or if he’s doing some shoots here and there and finding girls on model mayhem or whatever the latest thing is. He’s also got a primary girl helping him and that’s super useful… if a guy has a true bisexual woman as a wingwoman, he can wind up with a lot of girls because he’s offering a pretty rare scenario to other bi girls. There are various posts touching on these ideas in my own archives, here is one.
Some girls do deeply invest in a single guy and don’t require monogamy of him. They’re out there. Not super common but it’s possible and I’ve seen it… for an extreme example, look at all the girls with hollywood actors, musicians, etc. Normal guys can’t become an actor, but guys with more normal lives, if they find the right girl, can get her to invest and not require monogamy on the man’s part, particularly if she’s a true bisexual. Over time most but not all girls will want equality in terms of open relationships. It’s possible to train a girl who has some bi tendencies into being heavily non-mono with other girls. Andy from Kill Your Inner Loser has told some stories like this, here is one, browse his site for some others.
The guys who do this are probably 1. good looking, 2. good ecosystem, 3. good money, and 4. worked hard to find the girl or girls they’re with. Lots of sorting through girls who won’t go through with it and won’t accept a one-sided arrangement (girls who want conventional families and relationships will reject non-monogamous arrangements altogether, most of the time). Impossible? No. Hard, somewhat unlikely? Yeah. If a guy has good game and especially good frame, he can move through hundreds if not thousands of girls, searching for the ones who he can get non-monogamy for himself, without non-monogamy from her, from. The risk is that at some point she’s likely going to tire of the arrangement or want some novel d**k for herself.
Furthermore, a number of people have met NA and his girl (see the linked thread for their comments), so that’s a lot of evidence in favor of him being the real deal.
I think NA emphasizes the importance of a guy’s frame, his view of himself as creating his own reality, etc. There’s some truth to that, yet I’d put a different emphasis on the situation, with more emphasis on searching, sorting, building value, etc. It’s a bit like asking a priest or shaman about his religion, versus asking a biologist or anthropologist. The priest will tell you about how God exists and what the love of God does for you, etc. The biologist will tell you about how religion helps cement communities, create functional societies, etc., and how monogamy makes men calmer by ensuring just about every man gets a wife and children, instead of the male elite monopolizing most women. Frame and that sort of thing matters, but delusional self-belief without underlying value is a road to frustration. The average guy interested in cold approach who doesn’t have a pipeline and who hasn’t gotten jacked from working out and who hasn’t been practicing his social skills but thinks, “Oh man, it’s all about the iron frame” will probably be disappointed with his results. I like Andy’s blog because he has a lot about his journey and a lot of specifics about how he got from being a below-average guy to one who has foursomes, etc. The girl he calls “Woody Allen” helps recruit other girls for and with him.
I want to articulate what NA does in a way that demystifies it a bit. “You are the king” and “she brings me whiskey” and “I’ve got two naked chicks with me right now” is not helpful to guys who want to learn what he’s doing. “He is probably attractive to begin with, works out, has life experience as a bouncer, and has developed a photography ecosystem to get girls, plus his main girl helps him” is useful… but I don’t think he’s ever said it like that. Lots of people want to develop their mystique… I’m not opposed to it… but I have gotten a lot of guys asking about veracity and, implicitly, how it’s being done if it’s being done, and that’s what I’m laying out here. It may be cool to imply something can be done by anyone and relatively simply, when in reality there are some pre-conditions and challenges that haven’t been directly admitted.
So what the Nathan Alexanders of the world are talking about can happen. It can be a lot of work but it’s possible, particularly with an ecosystem. I doubt many of them are straight daygamers. I think NA tweeted the other day that a guy should give the girl his number… not a good move for cold approach daygame or nightgame. It can work okay in a warmer environment, like she’s your model already, where the target girl knows you’re part of a couple and are seducing her for a threeway (a very unusual approach for 99% of girls). Could work in a bar if you and your main girl are seeking a third. If you do that 10 times and one or two girls bite, that’s a big win and only the most-interested girls will bite, and the ones who do will already be in your frame. Advice can be good or bad depending on who it’s being given to and what circumstance that person is in. I approve of daygame but it’s real hard, for most guys. An average guy trying to emulate him without knowing whatever led him to where he is today is likely to miss a bunch of steps. Imagine trying to assemble a car from a bunch of parts without any instructions. I think NA is real or mostly real, but unless I’ve missed it, he hasn’t explicitly laid out the background and conditions I’ve been blathering on about in the last few paragraphs.
Maybe this whole post is mental jerk-off, but I think it illustrates some issues for beginner guys who don’t know what’s going on or how to evaluate many claims. Go ahead and follow Hector or NA and judge for yourself… don’t take my word for it. There are many “levels” in the game/seduction world and if you are trying to access later levels without understanding the earlier ones you may have a hard go of it. Twitter is super fragmented and that makes evaluating claims even harder.
ADDED: Krauser (or someone claiming to be him) leaves a contextualizing comment, “I met Brooding Sea, a month ago. I can’t vouch for his results- I wasn’t there when he got them- but I can believe them as within the realm of possibility from what I know of him, and the photos/text chats he showed me. Additionally add in the “lucky start” hypothesis and a range in quality of which Twitter pics were the better end. He’s not a typical daygame dweeb. He’s a jacked, high-T, pretty good looking guy with some presence about him. You’d expect him to do better than Little Achmed or MicroAsian.”