I was reading a good book about storytelling, A Curious Mind: The Secret to a Bigger Life, by Brian Glazer (the hollywood producer) and a journalist named Charles Fishman (red pill dad on storytelling). It’s narrated by Glazer… and he has good advice for players… like, “Most of the best things that have happened in my life are the result of curiosity. And curiosity has occasionally gotten me in trouble. But even when curiosity has gotten me in trouble, it has been interesting trouble.” I should list some ways curiosity has gotten me into interesting trouble, but a look through the archives will yield a cornucopia of material… when “Libido Girl” first proposed a sex party to me, I was curious, and many years later I am still involved. Glazer says he is “not the least bit embarrassed to ask questions.” A guy should be the same, although, with girls, it’s often better to make statements or assumptions. Don’t ask, “Did you get a job making coffee because you like coffee?” Instead, “I bet you got that gig so you can flirt with the sexy customers.” As the conversation evolves some questions are fine & normal, but too many questions to an unresponsive girl feels like an interview. Some girls, however, are bad at flirting and non-responsive… but if she keeps complying despite being boring, you might find her complying all the way into bending over, with the underwear you slid off her tossed aside.
It’s good to be curious about girls and girls’s lives but man some of them are boring… it’s like they’re just existing, directionless, floating on the ocean of existence. Players figure out that most girls are amazingly passive, by male standards. Without a man, they never go on dates (the man needs to chat her up, ask her out, set up the date, and execute the date) or fulfill many of their sexual fantasies. Talk to a lot of girls and you’ll find many, maybe most, have girl-girl sexual fantasies… that they’ve never acted on. Why? Cause they’re passive. Unless a guy makes those fantasies happen, they remain unfulfilled. Same thing with MFM. Lots of girls have the fantasy, and it remains a fantasy, unless some guy (guys in this example) comes along to make it happen. Even if it’s an amazing experience, the girl won’t repeat it until some other guy(s) do so. Girls’ passivity explains why they don’t start companies, grow companies, or achieve at anything like male rates (though some individual women excel).
Female passivity is also why a lot of guys don’t want their girlfriends hanging out with other dudes. How many times have you heard a girl say that sex “just happened?” A lot of girls will just let some guy f**k her, if she’s in the position to be f**ked. Smart guys don’t want girls spending one on one time with other guys. Girls who are serious about their relationships don’t spend one on one time with other guys. Girls who do, deserve what they get, relationship-wise, IMO. From her perspective, the thing did “just happen.”
A lot of girls are incredibly incurious… or if they are curious, it’s only for gossip, and what the herd things. “Does Madison think high-waisted swimsuits are cool? Then I want one. Does Madison think cheeky bottoms are cool? Then I want one. Does Madison think Derek is cool? Then I want him.” If you try to get any deeper information and idea content out of those girls, you’ll be throwing a bucket down an empty well. In those circumstances, you as the guy have to do most of the conversational work. The girl might answer in monosyllables or short sentences, but if she has eye sparkle and sexual body language, just keep advancing until she’s back at your place and you’re inside her. Even if she’s neutral, if she keeps complying… she might keep complying straight into sex. I’ve f**ked girls like that. I’ve also lost girls like that, when I was younger, and figured that lack of apparent engagement is boredom and uninterest in sex. Sometimes it is… sometimes she’s just a low affect girl… some low affect girls want sex but can’t figure out how to give guys green lights, so they remain unf**ked or minimally f**ked until some guy comes along who accelerates on yellow (to use a metaphor Krauser deploys somewhere…). For a guy, your job is to accelerate until you hit the true red light. A lot of the time, you won’t be able to tell if the girl is boring in general and has nothing to offer apart from her p***y, or if she’s not that into you, until you try to kiss her or bounce her back to your place.
Some young girls are smart and curious but not as developed as a man should be… for those girls, listening is smart… a little guidance goes a long way though. It’s easy to be overbearing.
It’s good to maximize curiosity about girls and to invite them into the conversation as much as possible, while realizing that a fair number of women, particularly younger and hotter women, can’t speak effectively. Today some of them will do storytelling through pictures on their phones.
A good storyteller is also receptive to his audience. Is the audience engaged, or bored, or waiting to speak? I’ve heard many girls complain about guys who yammer pointlessly on, never pay attention to the feedback the girl is giving him. Sometimes the feedback is subtle, but a good conversationalist will notice it, or probe for feedback. He’ll invite the woman to tell stories of her own (she may not be able to, particularly if she’s young). If the guy is indifferent to feedback in conversation, he’ll also probably not take the woman’s feedback into account in bed. Women want to be submissive but they also want a guy who is going to attend to her needs.
The player Yoylo says,
It feels good to make things happen for a girl that she wants to happen but can’t do it because… girls simply can’t make things happen. One girl said that she had an FMF threesome once and it was so hot to satisfy her girl-on-girl fantasy that it lasted for the whole year. But now she can’t make it happen. So it’s opportunity for me to use her to seduce a girl and do FMF where we both benefit.
The threesome linked above has details… other players are trying them out and experimenting with spacing out the threesome from the initial meet. I’d do it same night, usually. When the girl belonged to the other guy, I’d conspicuously go use the bathroom for a few mins after 45-60 mins, to give them a chance to have a private go/no go decision… if she said no, I’d accept it gracefully. And vice versa of course, so if I brought the girl, the other guy would leave for a couple minutes so the girl can express her go/no go preference.
Overall… to return to Glazer… “For it to be effective, curiosity has to be harnessed to at least two other key traits. First, the ability to pay attention to the answers to your questions—you have to actually absorb whatever it is you’re being curious about. We all know people who ask really good questions, but who zone out the moment it’s time for you to answer. The second trait is the willingness to act.” So if you’re curious about a girl’s sexual fantasies… it helps to be willing to act… which most guys won’t… it doesn’t mean you have to go as far as me and some other players have. If she fantasizes about double penetration, use a buttplug on her. Does she want to do it outdoors? Take her on a hike. Etc. Try to be as curious about people as possible, while remembering that some girls are extremely boring and/or take time to open. One of my favorite girls in the last bunch of years, Short Dancer, was extremely boring, but she was also compliant and we had great sexual chemistry. If I want to talk about ideas, science, dreams, etc., I talk about those things with my friends, not with Short Dancer, who was a sensual, inarticulate creature of the body.
Most people are scared of their fantasies, scared of losing what they think they have, scared of saying the wrong thing… to overcome your fear is beautiful.
Many of the guys reading here are curious… curious about lots of things… if you are curious about how to get girls, you get curious about diet (don’t eat sugar), weight lifting, fashion, etc. The cool thing about curiosity is, “it’s democratic. Anyone, anywhere, of any age or education level, can use it.” Glazer has had hundreds, maybe more than a thousand, “curiosity conversations” with interesting people, and he figures out that the top people, “know a huge amount about how the world really works.” They’re learning all the time… like most guys aren’t. Hint: if you are spending many hours a week playing video games or watching sports, you’re not learning. Making video games or playing sports… you’re learning. Obviously no one is active 100% of the time, and plenty of guys play video games or watch sports for recreation or to relax… but a whole lot of guys let those things take over their lives and never develop because of their stimulation addiction. It’s like pr0n… if you make it, it’s different than merely passively consuming it…
I’m a bit of a networker, unlike, it seems, the many lone wolves populating pickup and red pill… Glazer has some of the networker in him too… “the things I’m curious about create a network of information and contacts and relationships for me.” For him, “Then when the right story comes along, it resonates with me immediately.” For me… when the right chick(s) come along… she resonates with me immediately. He’s also a Hollywood animal so he’s very used to being told “no” and persevering. A “no” is a present from a woman, a gift of your time and attention, which need not be bequeathed on the unwilling… it needs to be directed at women who are potentials or actuals… when a woman has been sorted into the “no,” bin, you can press on.
The Red Quest 
One of the things I appreciate about your blog, is that you deeply understand the way the world “really works”, and yet you don’t seem angry or cynical. One of the things I struggle with is that when I talk to people who are naive about the world, I find it difficult to continue the conversation or have any respect for them (particularly women). I enjoy spirited debate, and refining my views through intellectual challenge. What I struggle with is not being wrong, it’s talking to someone who is speaking in nonsense. For example this weekend I was hanging out with a co-worker of the girl I’m currently seeing. We were talking about dating, and I explained my philosophy and she told me that she was a Socialist and that she didn’t subscribe to my value system of seeing the world through the lens of value and status. I asked her what Socialism meant for her in the context of dating as my understanding of Socialism is that it strongly takes issue with the class hierarchy. She gave a vague answer something to the effect of she just doesn’t value people the way I do. I asked if I was correct in assuming that she only dates people who went to “good” colleges (she went to an Ivy) and she confirmed. Given that fact, I said that it’s hard for me to believe she’s a socialist or has different values than I with respect to dating. It was pretty hard for me to continue the conversation after that because most of the things she said it was clear she just didn’t really understand what she was talking about despite being very intelligent, and fun to talk to. I’m curious how you balance a deeper understanding of the world, with having conversations with people who have a more surface level understanding of the world without losing respect and/or interest in talking with people. Obviously one could have bullshit surface conversations which can be fun in certain contexts, but for me really feeling a connection to someone requires going a bit deeper.
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Most conversations are about expressing feelings and hierarchy… the number of “socialists” who even understand what that entails is minimal. She’s expressing what she sees as a “caring” underlying value and framing you as “uncaring” by comparison. The number of people interested in ideas is small.
Until you have status in someone’s eyes they don’t care about your views. https://theredquest.wordpress.com/2019/02/20/status-coolness-first-then-evangelize-for-whatever-the-thing-is/
And that’s probably true of you too. I don’t care about what some random girl “socialist” thinks. I’ve nutted in plenty of chicks who are “feminists” and “socialists” on a surface level. Ignore the surface and go deep IMO. If you want to talk to people, read books, and “talk” that way. If you want to talk to someone, ask them what books they’ve read lately, then go read the books, and talk to them about the books.
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I have little to add to Redquests response, but I’m in the mood to chatter.
I also can find it difficult and unsatisfying to be thwarted by a bullshit surface conversation.
Redquest points out that there are underlying and deeper motives below peoples words and philosophies. It can be difficult to let go of the surface and deal with that, or just completely ignore the surface and change the subject to another deeper thing, such as fucking the girl.
When I moved to SEA, it took at least 5 years to adapt to not trying to hold deep conversations with women.
As TRQ says, use books, or perhaps other men, for that.
It’s a difficult transition to make, but there are surprising benefits. It can be, paradoxically, more satisfying and more deep, to limit yourself to connecting as deeply as possible, WITHOUT philosophy. WITHOUT high concept. Even at the mime level, at times. It’s a strange paradox, that I haven’t really tried to put into words, and am not sure if I could.
But I intuit that it’s a flawed mindset to assume that deep connections get deeper through intellectual connection, or that intellectual connection is required for a deep connection. I think now that’s more of an addiction than a need.
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To Redquests’ point the girl XBT mentions is clearly someone who believes something because it makes her feel good, not because she has embarked upon any meaningful intellectual enquiry. Debating Western girls like this, (usually white, middle class with a college education paid for by daddy who I guarantee you made his money in a very unsocialist fashion, is a waste of time.) The only appropriate response is to ignore her or ridicule her. (Or offer to but her a one way plane ticket to Venezuela) The last thing she should be, is taken seriously. With the exception of a couple of close female friends I have know for 20 years I avoid almost all long conversations with girls unless I am trying to fuck them. And even then, shorter conversations are better than long ones.
I save my deep conversations for fellow trusted men (fewer and fewer these days as so many men have been brainwashed) or comment sections of player blogs such as this.
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