“First swingers clubs,” from a player in a forum

First swingers clubs“… a guy named Sailors Grave writes in the good looking loser forum. The content is average and there is nothing ground-breaking in his field report, but apart from black dragon he’s the first example I’ve seen of a player talking about swinging and sex parties.

I stumbled onto it by accident but it’s so unusual to find a player speaking to this domain that I’m linking it up. Have you seen other players figure this out?

Good Looking Loser is dead; long live GLL. Why Reddit only works for newbies

Good Looking Loser reappeared, for the first time since 2016, with a 3,500-word post, “The Most Important Good Looking Loser Concepts to Get Your Sex Life Right.” It’s a rehash of the rest of the site, but that’s fine, because the site is more or less “complete.” It can be read like a book (Red Quest is also now similarly “complete”). There is garbage on GLL (supplements, “bath mate,” anything involving the word “gorilla” or “Cernovich,” who is a clown attempting to lead a sad army), but if you ignore the garbage and focus on getting laid, you’ll do all right. If you really want to “max out” your looks, that is.

GLL targets underperforming guys in their teens and 20s. It’s less useful for the 40+ crowd, where guys should still work on their looks but are realistically not going to be as cut as 23-year-old guys.

Chris also never goes “all the way” into getting laid, in the sense of pursuing non-monogamy… he always stays within the monogamy cultural frame, which probably inhibits his ability to retain women. Now, he says he’s getting married (I hope he has a hell of a prenup). He rarely, maybe never, goes beyond conventional 1:1 dating and into sex clubs. Maybe he’s not into that kind of thing, but, to me, sex clubs are, at their best, pre-selected venues for highly-sexed women. They’re also ways to retain women in lover or friend-with-benefit situations.

GLL annoyingly pushes bogus supplements… Chris should just get a real, honest job, rather than trying to con guys with supplements, etc… so I am not endorsing everything on his site. It has some legitimate material and some bullshit.

(This blog will eventually die too, or decline into theoretical rants. I’m not as driven by sex as I was in my teens, twenties, or early thirties. I don’t have as much to say about it beyond what I’ve already said, and other guys, like Krauser and Tom Torero, have far better step-by-step material.)

I tried submitting “The Most Important Good Looking Loser Concepts to Get Your Sex Life Right” to the seduction page of Reddit, and I got the following message from “ThrowawayPUA,”

GLL is banned from seddit for a variety of good reasons.
Don’t join them.

If you’ve wandered over here from Reddit, you now know why Reddit is filled with newbie material. There’s nothing wrong with newbie material (almost all of us have been there), but the intermediate/advanced material is all on blogs or in books. Think about a person who would willingly moderate Reddit… then think about how Reddit works via voting, regardless of the person voting… now you understand. Beginner guys and anger phase guys cannot comprehend the challenges and problems faced by intermediate or advanced guys. That is fine, that is the nature of being a beginner in almost any field, but it also cauterizes the intermediate/advanced discussion.

While I’m writing this, the top post on seduction is “A Rant from a girl: Why it isn’t working for you…” No link because it’s typical stupid girl stuff, a mix of things that are kind of true some of the time and things that are downright wrong… and it has 600 upvotes. Meanwhile, the last couple of deep, complex posts from Nash got like four upvotes. Posts from random, incorrect chicks and posts from guys who are like, “I learned how to just be myself and talk to chicks” jump to the top of Reddit because they cater to the 70% of guys on the bottom, many of whom don’t know what they’re talking about. And the moderators are almost universally awful… they encourage only newbies to speak.

If you’re spending time on Reddit, you’re among the sheep who lead the other sheep. There is some utility, but to learn and move beyond “just be confident” “hit the gym” and “women are hypergamous”, you have to go somewhere else. Despite these reservations… for the average guy, if he improves his nutrition, gets clothes that fit, starts lifting some, and quits his worst habits and vices, he’ll see big improvements with women, and Reddit emphasizes those things.

Most guys are so far from doing the fundamentals right that relatively modest work on the fundamentals can yield big gains. The 80/20 rule applies: 80% of the gains come from 20% of the effort. That said… moving from 80% of the gains into 90% or more can yield a cornucopia of incredible experiences the average guy doesn’t think exist, outside of pr0n. And the average guy doesn’t understand women well enough to understand how, why, and where those pinnacle experiences exist. When Reddit provides the impetus to get those newbie gains, it’s useful. As soon as the newbie gains begin to peter out, it’s not.

Guys moderating reddit, meanwhile, seem to be trying to stroke/gratify their own egos. They’re the high school losers, still intent on being “right,” finally, and having minor power, even of a very limited sort, over others. No thanks. Better to go somewhere without moderators who have trouble seeing past their own feet.

Newbies often lack the capacity to understand what good advice is. Think back to school and the stupid, noisy person in class trying to one-up the teacher or professor. That person doesn’t know what they don’t know.