Good Looking Loser is dead; long live GLL. Why Reddit only works for newbies

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Good Looking Loser reappeared, for the first time since 2016, with a 3,500-word post, “The Most Important Good Looking Loser Concepts to Get Your Sex Life Right.” It’s a rehash of the rest of the site, but that’s fine, because the site is more or less “complete.” It can be read like a book (Red Quest is also now similarly “complete”). There’s garbage on GLL (supplements, “bath mate,” anything involving the word “gorilla” or “Cernovich,” who is a clown attempting to lead a sad army), but if you ignore the garbage and focus on getting laid, you’ll do all right. If you really want to “max out” your looks, that is.

GLL targets underperforming guys in their teens and 20s. It’s less useful for the 40+ crowd, where guys should still work on their looks but are realistically not going to be as cut as 23-year-old guys.

Chris also never goes “all the way” into getting laid, in the sense of pursuing non-monogamy… he always stays within the monogamy cultural frame, which probably inhibits his ability to retain women. Now, he says he’s getting married (I hope he has a hell of a prenup). He rarely, maybe never, goes beyond conventional 1:1 dating and into sex clubs. Maybe he’s not into that kind of thing, but, to me, sex clubs are, at their best, pre-selected venues for highly-sexed women. They’re also ways to retain women in lover or friend-with-benefit situations.

GLL annoyingly pushes bogus supplements… Chris should just get a real, honest job, rather than trying to con guys with supplements, etc… so I am not endorsing everything on his site. It has some legitimate material and some bullshit.

(This blog will eventually die too, or decline into theoretical rants. I’m not as driven by sex as I was in my teens, twenties, or early thirties. I don’t have as much to say about it beyond what I’ve already said, and other guys, like Krauser and Tom Torero, have far better step-by-step material.)

I tried submitting “The Most Important Good Looking Loser Concepts to Get Your Sex Life Right” to the seduction page of Reddit, and I got the following message from “ThrowawayPUA,”

GLL is banned from seddit for a variety of good reasons.
Don’t join them.

If you’ve wandered over here from Reddit, you now know why Reddit is filled with newbie material. There’s nothing wrong with newbie material (almost all of us have been there), but the intermediate/advanced material is all on blogs or in books. Think about a person who would willingly moderate Reddit… then think about how Reddit works via voting, regardless of the person voting… now you understand. Beginner guys and anger phase guys cannot comprehend the challenges and problems faced by intermediate or advanced guys. That is fine, that is the nature of being a beginner in almost any field, but it also cauterizes the intermediate/advanced discussion.

While I’m writing this, the top post on seduction is “A Rant from a girl: Why it isn’t working for you…” No link because it’s typical stupid girl stuff, a mix of things that are kind of true some of the time and things that are downright wrong… and it has 600 upvotes. Meanwhile, the last couple of deep, complex posts from Nash got like four upvotes. Posts from random, incorrect chicks and posts from guys who are like, “I learned how to just be myself and talk to chicks” jump to the top of Reddit because they cater to the 70% of guys on the bottom, many of whom don’t know what they’re talking about. And the moderators are almost universally awful… they encourage only newbies to speak.

If you’re spending time on Reddit, you’re among the sheep who lead the other sheep. There is some utility, but to learn and move beyond “just be confident” “hit the gym” and “women are hypergamous”, you have to go somewhere else. Despite these reservations… for the average guy, if he improves his nutrition, gets clothes that fit, starts lifting some, and quits his worst habits and vices, he’ll see big improvements with women, and Reddit emphasizes those things.

Most guys are so far from doing the fundamentals right that relatively modest work on the fundamentals can yield big gains. The 80/20 rule applies: 80% of the gains come from 20% of the effort. That said… moving from 80% of the gains into 90% or more can yield a cornucopia of incredible experiences the average guy doesn’t think exist, outside of pr0n. And the average guy doesn’t understand women well enough to understand how, why, and where those pinnacle experiences exist. When Reddit provides the impetus to get those newbie gains, it’s useful. As soon as the newbie gains begin to peter out, it’s not.

Guys moderating reddit, meanwhile, seem to be trying to stroke/gratify their own egos. They’re the high school losers, still intent on being “right,” finally, and having minor power, even of a very limited sort, over others. No thanks. Better to go somewhere without moderators who have trouble seeing past their own feet.

Newbies often lack the capacity to understand what good advice is. Think back to school and the stupid, noisy person in class trying to one-up the teacher or professor. That person doesn’t know what they don’t know.

Author: The Red Quest

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11 thoughts on “Good Looking Loser is dead; long live GLL. Why Reddit only works for newbies”

  1. I stopped posting on TheRedPill subreddit long ago. I had hoped it would provide some value beyond The Rational Male, but it didn’t. That book tells you all you need to know.

    Sadly, there’s no forum out there that really fits the exact topics I want to talk about with the level of intelligence I want to talk about them with. I’m in a Telegram group right now that’s pretty decent, but not perfect. I think the top guys are segmenting off into their own private chat groups and not really sharing their thoughts with the masses anymore.

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    1. >>Sadly, there’s no forum out there that really fits the exact topics I want to talk about with the level of intelligence I want to talk about them with. I’m in a Telegram group right now that’s pretty decent, but not perfect. I think the top guys are segmenting off into their own private chat groups and not really sharing their thoughts with the masses anymore.

      I’d say the solution is to create your own forum,, and have the discussion you want to have there. That’s what red quest is/has been. Dissatisfied with what’s available? Time to roll up the sleeves and do it yourself… that has been my philosophy… I tried to write a post or two about sex clubs on reddit red pill and I think they were deleted. My response was, “Forget these idiots,” and now here I am.


  2. Reddit is worthless all around as an entire website. The problem – I find – is that everyone on Reddit knows everything about everything, and no matter what you say you are wrong. Period.

    I once answered a question about literally my profession, and had some guy tell me everything I said was wrong. When questioned, he didn’t even work in the field! Just an interested observer. He ended up getting me banned from that subreddit and that’s when I realized that pretty much everyone there is garbage.

    In places like TRP and “Seddit” they get way to spergy with game. And that’s coming from a guy who, when he first got into game, literally kept a spreadsheet with openers, hooks, routines, gambits, and closes and how much each worked when, where, and on what type of girl.

    There was a post on RVF where a guy copy+pasted a thing from over there and at one point the reddit post says to look a girl in her left eye. The point the author was making, I think, is that you need to make eye contact, and you can really only look at one eye at a time. I pointed out that most of the people on the sub would probably end up arguing the merits of left eye vs right eye contact, missing the forest for the trees.

    That being said, I do like to occasionally browse r/seduction and see if anything there can challenge my beliefs or change how I approach certain problems. You can sometimes find little nuggets. r/trp is just toxic. I avoid it at all costs. Everyone there is just angry and bitter, not good for your soul.

    RVF is a good place for some solid game discussion, but you need to lurk a long time because they will ban you in a second, and these days there’s no coming back from a ban.

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    1. I don’t think Reddit is totally worthless. For the average guy, Red Pill and Seduction are improvements on the average guy’s life. If the average guy starts lifting, quits sugar, quits video games, goes out more often socially, learns to dress well, and at least attempts to start talking to chicks via cold approach… he is going to get far better results. Reddit can get guys to be above average. It is better than the typical guy.

      But Reddit has very little material for moving from beginner to advanced beginner or intermediate. Guys who move past the beginner stages will not find what they seek there, as most guys never move past that stage and, even if they do, they will become bored by the relentless beginner posts, questions, etc.


  3. I agree with everything said about GLL (never took any advice from seddit as far as I remember). GLL would be what Blackdragon calls a thrill of the hunt guy vs a pleasure of sex man (are you familar with dying / Arguable guys like GLL may not be into sex that much, and then don’t seek out activities like sex clubs, or maybe just not sex positive enough and still have a lot of sex negativity

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    1. I’m not sure about GLL… but his point about being really hot and then using that to seek chicks is one I don’t find very often, and it’s probably useful for younger guys in particular. He also understands that confidence and willingness to escalate are key, and even attractive guys without those things won’t get them.

      He seems kind of dumb, and in a couple of podcasts he talks about how he never reads, which explains his shallow affect. But most player blogs are written by introvert, interior-oriented nerds, so getting one written by a guy with a different vibe is good.


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