Redpill and seduction communities are focused on hot young party girls. And that’s fine! Great, even. I’ve spent loads of time chasing and attempting to f**k and sometimes even f**king these girls, so I’m well familiar with them and why redpill and seduction guys give the advice they (we) do. But the girls who have either quit that phase or who have never really been in it… they are not going to accept a lot of techniques you’ll hear the most about. You need to master the game to move beyond the game, if you want to find and get them… a theme I have been blathering on about lately. Those girls might be much more interested in your underlying value and your commitment willingness, rather than your party f**k-boy manslut ways.
Today’s discussion begins from me, noticing that “women are the ultimate red pillers. Men are just noticing what’s already there,” regarding some chick’s conversation with her hypergamous friend,
Then FortWorthPlay said, “NEVER feel bad for using Dread Game..they secretly love it and it makes their panties wet.” I’m not so sure…
Depends on the girl I think…. one who is psychologically healthy and really wants a relationship/family needs very little dread, and a very light touch. She’ll reject a guy who does dread game on her.
Most basic college/party girls, yeah, sure.
‘Types’ are important here.
“Types” is a Nash point… one I have adopted… I have been “a certain type of player” and also Nash has written about “types” on this blog, “First off, you’re doing something SMART here by starting with some TYPES. It is a simple fact that we are not all the same, and by defining some types… we can introduce some tools and immediately know that they are not for everyone, but that doesn’t make them invalid. With that said… for me the ‘poly’ community is a fucking mess.”
Types. Environments. I have been most consumed by chasing hot chicks in the city. Big-city girls, and particularly young ones, are also more likely to be hunting fun sexual experiences from the ever-discussed “alpha males.” I have spent some time in smaller cities for work and they have a less feral sex culture. Women and men marry earlier. Children are more common. Divorce may be more common as wel but that is a separate point.
Obviously some chicks will shift, some chicks who think they want monogamy will feel stifled by it. They will be with a guy for four+ years, get bored, have an affair, divorce the previous guy, shack up with the new one for a while, maybe have another kid with him. This is NOT an attempt to argue that girls are binary good girls/bad girls and they are all one or the other.
Almost all guys writing about the game live in big hypergamous cities. Most guys doing serious game live in big cities cause that’s where the hot tail is. Most of the girls who respond to day or night or online game are interested in sexual novelty. I have seen tddaygame and others point out that the loyal chicks who are monogamous and want families are likely to brush off your approaches. They’re the ones who say, “Sorry, I have a boyfriend,” and then leave. Maybe they accept a few minutes of entertainment, then leave. You won’t notice them much. They’re the ones who, when you try to get them to cheat, they won’t.
Overall, learning game and practicing it is good and will work with more women than not. And hot predominantly monogamous girls don’t want pushovers and will test guys to see what they’re made of. Game skills are a big win for most guys. Most guys never have the skills to understand what can possibly be available to them. In addition to guys thinking they know about women I’ve written about, I’ve also had guys tell me flat out that my writing about the non-monogamy world is absurd and the situations I have written about are impossible. At the same time 4 – 6 guys who have kept in touch with me have exploring this world. A couple have dipped their toes and left. Two I know of seem to be pretty far in (with field reports coming). I don’t spend time on the “game doesn’t work” or “only uglies go to sex parties” crowds… build your value, practice the game, try it for yourself.
The danger of working on the game that is most likely to work on highly open, flighty, and available chicks is that a guy begins to think that he has met all chicks. Just like guys who buy the facade of closed, monogamous, family-oriented chicks think all chicks are like that. They aren’t… they may also present different sides of themselves to different people at different times. I have invited chicks to be sluts, so I get a lot of chicks who are, or who are willing to explore that role with me. Some explore it… figure it is not for them… and they leave. Sometimes I do not notice what I’m doing and let them go when I shouldn’t.
“I’ve seen many players sabotage their relationships with great girls who captured their hearts because they feared losing control under the chaos of being in love. A man can be alpha but if he doesn’t cash it in for the ultimate prize he’s revealed the beta at his core.” -Roissy
I’m not arguing guys should fall in love, knock chicks up, lead a nice friendly family life, etc. But… I’m also not arguing that guys should not do this. Game is a tool. Evolutionary psych is a tool. How the player deploys the tool is up to him. A computer is a tool. It can be used to write long posts like this one. It can be used for programming Python. It can be used for data analysis. It can be used for playing games. It can be used to hit someone over the head. It can be scavenged for its raw materials. Game skills are important. Understanding what dread game is is important. Personally, if I were evaluating a girl for having kids and she responded really well to dread game, I would not see that as a good thing. A little bit of uncertainty that comes from light dread game is fine and normal. But if she responds to it in a big way… she reads as sexy party girl to me.
A fine thing to be no doubt. A thing I like and have very much liked. I am not against them. I like sexy party girls. I have pushed girls in the middle towards being wild irresponsible party girls (remember, plenty of girls will mold themselves as the man desires). But… they are not the only girls out there. If you treat all girls in a very game-y way, you will get girls who respond very well to game and discourage those who do not. This is not a statement against the game. It is a statement about the value of knowing your tools. Emotionally healthy girls can respond very well to the game, if you do it well… if your game is so tight that it appears like good social skills and socially congruent boldness. If your game appears robotic, inappropriate, overly rehearsed, etc., then its effectiveness will go down. A lot of the writing online seems to come from guys who are beginning their journey, who have low value, who have just discovered all that they have missed… that is fine, there is a place for beginners. I don’t see a lot of writing from guys at intermediate and beyond, so when I do, I’m eager to link them.
I’m also not an oracle… I say what I see… I have weaknesses… I’m happy replying to smart guys, smart people… we can disagree on stuff… I’m looking for people who go beyond the norm and help me think and make sense of the experience.